Girl Meets Context: Halloween was made on a small budget of about $320,000 and went on to gross $70 million worldwide, making it one of the most profitable independent films ever made. Conceived as a simple “killer stalks babysitters” picture by producer Irwin Yablans, John Carpenter and his co-writer and co-producer Debra Hill turned the material into something much more: a mythic exploration of evil menacing small-town America. The plot of Halloween involves an escaped mental patient, Michael Myers, returning to his hometown on Halloween Eve and stalking and murdering a small group of carefree teenagers in the suburbs of Haddonfield, IL. Michael is hunted by his former psychiatrist, the intense Dr. Loomis (played by Donald Pleasance), as he closes in on a bookish high school student, Laurie Strode (the screen debut of Jamie Lee Curtis), as she babysits two young children. Donald Pleasance (who was Michael Reeves’ first choice for the role of Matthew Hopkins in Witchfinder General but lost the role when the studio pressured Reeves to give the part to Vincent Price) was Carpenter’s third choice for Loomis, but Hammer horror legends Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee both turned the role down. Loomis went on to become one of the horror cinema’s most iconic characters. The film’s silent, masked killer, Michael Myers, has become one of the most recognizable horror villains of all time, and the leading figure in the “slasher” pantheon alongside Jason Voorhees, Freddy Krueger, Leatherface, Chucky and Pinhead. When Kristine and I sat down to discuss the movie we spent a lot of time comparing Halloween with the first two Friday the 13th films in order to try and pinpoint what makes Halloween so special. Our talk also led us to consider big philosophical questions, a bit of art history, American cultural history and a host of other topics. Be forewarned, our discussion will include massive SPOILERS, so go watch the movie and come back!
Kristine: So I’ve been thinking about the book The Psychopath Test ever since we watched Halloween. Are you familiar with it?
Sean: Yes. That’s the one about how to identify “psychopaths” right? This American Life did a thing on it and all the people who work on the show took the test, including Ira Glass. They also profiled this monstrous CEO and he scored really high on the test, but then they explained that since he didn’t have the history of like torturing animals and stuff, then he wasn’t really a psychopath. So I guess you can score really high and still be functioning non-murderer.
Kristine: Well, I have to say that of the Big Three slasher luminaries (Jason Voorhees, Freddy Krueger and Michael Myers), Michael was by far the scariest and the best. And I think that is because he is the purest psychopath of the bunch. He is not killing out of revenge or hurt fweelings. I loved Halloween!! And I have decided that John Carpenter is a smart dude.
Sean: I can’t believe it You didn’t find it “boring”?
Kristine: Nope! I thought it was great!!
Sean: Phew! I just wiped sweat off my brow with a dishrag.
Kristine: I know you were chewing your nails off waiting for my reaction…
Sean: Well, what elements of it did you like? Why did you respond to it do you think?
Kristine: Michael Myers is a scary motherfucker!!
Sean: You mean he actually scared you?
Kristine: Yes! And I really liked how this movie, unlike Friday the 13th, really presents the “normal” world as a scary place. Michael Myers might be a freak of nature, but this can happen… anywhere. It’s not in a mystical fantasy setting like Crystal Lake.
Sean: Yes! I have a couple of things to say, and one of them is that I was struck this time around by how Halloween is really about AMERICA in a way that other slasher movies are not. And, of course, about suburbia specifically. There’s something primal and universal about the movie. It’s funny how many other movies have copied the aesthetics of Halloween over the years but none of them actually have any of its thematic depth. It really is a movie that is full of ideas. Unlike Friday the 13th, which I’m not really sure is about anything actually…
Kristine: I agree, and I think one of the most telling scenes, with that in mind, is when Laurie is being hunted and is frantically screaming and knocking on doors for someone to save her and no one will. I was all, “Holy Kitty Genovese!” Except that case of course was all about vilifying urban spaces. But I loved how this nice suburban neighborhood turned into a cold killing ground.
Sean: What is Kitty Genovese?
Kristine: SEAN! Are you serious? KITTY GENOVESE! It’s like THE cautionary tale of our time!
Sean: Ok… Enlighten and encaution me.
Kristine: It’s a very famous case that is always studied in sociology classes. It happened in the last 1960s, I believe, and this woman Kitty Genovese was attacked in her neighborhood in NYC. Her screams were allegedly heard and her stabbing was seen by 38 witnesses, none of whom called the police (that number has been disputed) or came to her aid. She managed to get away from her attacker, even though she was badly injured.
Kristine: Her attacker retreated and then came back and methodically searched the neighborhood for her. She was hiding in an alley or something, bleeding to death…
Sean: Was it a stranger or someone she knew?
Kristine: Total stranger.
Sean: Holy Maniac vileness.
Kristine: So, he found her and continued to stab her. Again, the crime was seen and heard, but no one wanted to “get involved” because, get this… they thought it was her boyfriend or husband!
Sean: Oh, the 1960s. How quaint….
Kristine: SO he stabs her to death then rapes her while she is dying (he was a necrophile)…
Sean: Stop it!
Kristine: He is up for parole next year, by the way. While in prison, he has killed people and once he took hostages in the prison hospital where he’s been admitted for a self-inflicted injury. He raped one of the hostages in front of her husband.
Sean: I hope they NEVER let him out.
Kristine: So, that exists. The extra sucky thing is that he is black and she was Italian, so… The coverage of the crime was all racialized. Oh, AND she was a lesbian who lived with her girlfriend, so she was kind of” the Other” in her neighborhood all ready.
Sean: It seems significant that the Genovese incident is about the city, and an urban space full of alienated city dwellers who “don’t want to get involved,” which is a stark contrast to Halloween’s pastoral suburbia. But I think what makes the horror in Halloween so palpable is that you’ve got that same kind of horror and apathy but now infiltrating to the very heart of Americana – the small town neighborhood.
Kristine: I think the point is that people are crappy, all over, and it’s all about their own self-interest. I think Carpenter is saying, “There are monsters all over.”
Sean: I think it’s easy to say that now, in 2012.
Sean: But I think that, in the decade following the 1960s (which was America’s big “coming of age” decade where the anodyne narratives about America that were constructed in the post-war era were being disassembled and rewritten) it makes sense that Halloween would get made, and that it would find an audience and also really IMPACT that audience. Remember, this was a huge sleeper hit. One way of thinking about this is that since the late 1960s our sense of America as a “safe place” was eroding and by 1978, it would be just about time to fully face the new reality. And I think in the American imagination social ills – prostitution, crime, murder, etc. – spread outward from the cities, infecting and compromising the smaller communities that surround them. So Halloween is in some ways a record of that despoiled America. The world Laurie and Annie and Linda inhabit is almost retro (even for 1978), a truly “innocent” 1950s-esque world. Remember, too, that the 1970s saw a huge boom of nostalgia for the 1950s – American Graffiti, Happy Days, Sha-Na-Na, etc. And I think John Carpenter (a child of the 1950s) was the perfect person to come along and put a cap on all those nostalgic daydreams about a safer, cleaner, more innocent time in America. Halloween invokes that 1950s-ish small town milieu and totally violates it. It definitively ends the boom in 1950s nostalgia and forces us to face the facts, that “that America” is gone and is not coming back.
Kristine: Perhaps so. See, I feel way safer in a city than in a suburb.
Sean: I just want you to know how much I’m getting out of this blog project….
Sean: Because I totally found myself rethinking the whole movie, watching it with you this time. It really struck me as a total masterpiece. As a kid, I never really warmed up to the Halloween movies. I LOVED the Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th movies the most, and sort of just watched the Halloween movies with a shrug. But I was an idiot. I just didn’t get it! But I also now think that this movie is maybe THE most important horror movie of 1970s America, the one that provides the best snapshot of where our minds and imaginations were at that moment in history, in much the same way that Night of the Living Dead is the definitive horror movie document of the 1960s. It’s interesting that both of these movies came towards the end of their respective decades. It makes me wonder about what horror movies really encapsulate the psychology of the 1950s, the 1980s, the 1990s, the 2000s, etc.
Kristine: We can just go ahead and rate this right now… MASTERPIECE!
Kristine: Can I present a piece of evidence to support my theory that Carpenter thinks humanity rots? The James Ensor poster in Laurie’s room.
Kristine: Are you familiar with him?
Sean: Not beyond the fact that he is the subject of a They Might Be Giants song.
Kristine: Despite my fancy art history background, I was not that familiar with Ensor, but a famous painting of his is owned by the Kimbell (an art museum in Fort Worth) so I know more about him now. He was a painter in the late 1800s/early 1900s and he was major influence on expressionism and surrealism. He is best known for painting very dark works, featuring people wearing…. grotesque masks! So Carpenter is being very funny here.
Sean: Ha! You know that Michael’s mask is a spraypainted William Shatner mask?
Kristine: I did know that and I love it! Ensor was censored by the Pope and caused big scandals with his scary mask people.
Sean: That is awesome.
Kristine: It’s just such a funny little thing for Carpenter to do, and to put it in Laurie’s room made perfect sense. I found Michael’s mask VERY fucking scary.
Sean: I think Michael in the bedsheet with Linda is the scariest scene. Did you like Laurie Annie and Linda?
Kristine: I loved them! You know I love P.J. Soles, the actress who plays Linda.
Sean: Yes, she rocks.
Kristine: I loved her filing her nails after sex.
Sean: Yes. They are kind of amazing.
Kristine: This is a better movie, Sean. Way better! My one complaint was I didn’t like the reveal of Michael’s face. In Friday the 13th Part 2 the reveal was good because it was all about what an inhuman monogloidal freak Jason was, but here I didn’t like it.
Sean: A scary scene that I’d totally forgotten about: when Annie yells “Hey jerk. Speed kills!” and then the car screeches to a halt.
Kristine: OH MY GOD that scene scared me! The car screeching to a halt was terrifying.
Sean: Ha ha! I have done that.
Kristine: Who hasn’t screamed at a stranger and then been like “Oh shit!”
Sean: I yelled at a car and it screeched to a halt, when I was like 14.
Kristine: I thought you were going to say you did that, like, last week. Did you run away?
Sean: My friend Mike had to talk five guys out of beating me up.
Sean: True story. But the point is, I love Annie. Though after she does that she goes “I hate a guy with a car and no sense of humor…” which makes NO SENSE.
Kristine: NO SENSE! HA HA!
Sean: Can I make one quick Friday the 13th point? Rewatching these with you, I realize how much the Friday the 13th movies were indebted to the giallo films that came before them. I really think the filmmakers where just huge giallo buffs, and that really shaped the style and feel of the early movies (especially the first two). But with Halloween I truly think that Carpenter invented his own form and made something startlingly original. It doesn’t FEEL like anything that came before it. (I think a lot of this might have to do with Carpenter’s score for Halloween, which is… a total masterpiece in and of itself).
Kristine: I loved the score as well. The only real “staging” of the bodies is that one scene when Laurie finds them. Honestly, I thought that scene was kind of weak. With the sister’s gravestone? Whereas the Friday the 13th movies are ALL about staging the bodies.
Sean: Yes. Again, so much of the aesthetics of the first Friday the 13th, including its somewhat nonsensical feel and bizarre asides (like Marcie’s weird prophetic dream), feel lifted from the Italians. But Halloween? ESPECIALLY the first hour, with that washed-out autumnal glow? I mean, the movie still LOOKS great in 2012.
Kristine: I agree.
Sean: You know it was like the Blair Witch Project of its day. A total surprise juggernaut success, made on a shoestring budget. It is still considered one of the most profitable indie movies of all time.
Kristine: Ok, there is something I wanted to talk about… You ARE Tommy Doyle! That little boy is EXACTLY how I imagine you were as a little boy. I mean, I’m right, right?
Sean: Yes, I am Tommy. Next?
Kristine: YOU ARE!!!! That is EXACTLY how I imagine you.
Sean: But I was way faggier. Are you Lindsey?
Kristine: NO! Do you know who Lindsey is?
Sean: Wednesday Addams?
Kristine: No. One of my biggest complaints about you is your refusal to watch reality TV. Lindsey is played by Kyle Richards, who is now on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She was also in The Car, Eaten Alive and The Watcher in the Woods! And her sister is Kim Richards, the child star who was in Escape to Witch Mountain and also…. Assault on Precinct 13! Another John Carpenter movie, right?
Sean: Ugh. Real Nopewives of I’ll Never Watch It. So can I ask… did you know the cold open reveal that the killer was a little boy? Because that was a big shock back in the day.
Kristine: No, I didn’t know.
Sean: Was it shocking?
Kristine: Medium shocking. Not crazy shocking. That is kind of a trope in horror movies, right?
Sean: I guess you’ve already seen Sleepaway Camp so… this must have seemed tame in comparison.
Kristine: Yeah, exactly.
Sean: I was struck by the frozen tableau/anti-realism of the parents pulling the clown mask off of young Michael.
Kristine: But this goes back to the psychopath test… Especially because in this scenario, the parents were supposed to be normal and not abusive freaks. Do you believe in psychopaths, Sean?
Sean: I mean, sure. There are people who don’t believe in psychopaths?
Kristine: I think there are a lot of people who believe it’s nurture over nature and psychopaths are made, not born. So you believe in “bad seeds”?
Sean: Um… Yes, I guess I do.
Kristine: HMMMM! How Darwinian of you!
Sean: Some people are just… wrong.
Kristine: Like Bret Easton Ellis?
Sean: Like the Real Nopewives.
Kristine: Oh boy. I am more of a bleeding heart liberal than you, I think. I used to think people’s personalities were 80% nurture. But according to my dad, I have the exact same nature I had when I was born. Like, experiences = nothing. Once you’re born, you are cooked and done and there is no changing it. Depressing! Or liberating…
Sean: I don’t know why, but the nature vs. nurture debate is profoundly uninteresting to me.
Kristine: WOW! It is like the debate of life! And free will! And self-actualization!
Sean: I guess, but I don’t care. Maybe it’s because I got burned out on that conversation in relation to gayness.Kristine: But it has been debated by the greatest minds for centuries!
Sean: Yawn. I’m just saying, it bores me like Evil Dead II bored you.
Kristine: Okay, then!
Sean: Do you really think that it is a fundamental question?
Kristine: Yes, I do, but we don’t have to talk about it if you don’t want…
Kristine: I mean, right now it seems important because I feel like it’s the Dems versus the Repubs.
Sean: Isn’t it dumb when people have gayness debates in this framework though?
Kristine: Yes, that is dumb but I don’t feel like that is a “real” conversation. Everyone knows the truth and that debate is totally over.
Sean: I guess I think whenever people have big raging debates about “Is it THIS or is it THIS?” I always think the answer is usually “It’s both.”
Kristine: You are all about fifty shades of grey, Sean.
Sean: Like, some people are probably born with innate strong imprinted identities and others are more malleable and so are shaped by their environment.
Sean: Remember the cemetery man’s speech about “every town has a story like this” and then tells the story of the father who gets the hacksaw and kisses his family goodbye and then kills them? The Story of America in the 1970s!
Sean: Yes, I felt like he was more nuanced than that archetype. He wasn’t employed in the MOST obvious way. He was this minor resonance of the film’s major theme, which is…. the unexplainable darkness of the modern man.
Kristine: Like I said, Michael strealing his sister’s gravestone and staging the bodies was one thing that didn’t work for me in Halloween, because it spoke to emotional damage on Michael’s part. Like he has some sort of regret or need to “work through” murdering his sister. And my read on Michael is that he wouldn’t need any of that. He is a pure psychopath, and he only comes back to his home town because it is familiar, not to give himself murder therapy, you know?
Sean: Right…. I guess I was more interested in the gravedigger’s narrative because it advocated for the idea that every town has some man in it that one day just…. goes crazy. I feel like Halloween hinges on man’s darkness being inexplicable and unforeseeable.
Kristine: One super scary scene for me was when Laurie goes to put the key under the Myers’ welcome mat and Michael is standing there. That was almost as scary as when Leatherface first appears in The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, all ripping aside that huge industrial door and running out to grab Pam! I totally freaked out in both instances.
Sean: Haha! That was great.
Kristine: Right? Fucking terrifying! But I’m not sure I find the gravedigger’s soliloquy all that significant. Why don’t you tell me what struck you as so important about it?
Sean: Just the universality of it. How the gravedigger establishes that Michael Myers really ISN’T an anomaly, that modern American life, by it’s very nature, results in these bizarre fissures in the normal. That the story of middle-class American life involves how it drives some men crazy - and I think it’s absolutely significant that these stories emphasize MEN, that the pressures of the everyday affect men differently because of their social role. Of course, in 2012 a lot of that has changed or has begun to radically shift. But in 1978, the “cost” of the American Dream on the psyches of men in the culture is something that, I think, Halloween is obsessed with (as well as MANY other horror movies from the period). Also, I don’t know if you remember the scene early on where Laurie is in English class and the teacher is going on and on and on about FATE.
Kristine: Yes, of course.
Sean: The teacher’s voice (she is unseen, significantly) is really driving home the idea that there is no avoiding your fate, that there is this dark inevitability. I mean this is a moment when I think Carpenter is really pushing Halloween to have these big, epic themes that resonate all the way back to Greco-Roman dramas and mythology. I think it works well enough, though I’m not exactly sure the movie fully realizes it’s own ideas about fate, especially vis-à-vis Laurie. Once the sun sets, the movie runs with all the “boogeyman” stuff and, for me, kind of abandons the bigger, epic questions it seemed to be posing in the first half. Remember that Laurie’s last line, to Dr. Loomis, is something like, “Was that the boogeyman?” and Loomis responds, “Yes, it was.” End picture. I’m not sure the movie actually gives us some sense of what this epic encounter with the boogeyman actually MEANS to Laurie, and what it says about her fate/destiny. So while some of that stuff doesn’t quite work for me, the gravedigger’s soliloquy does work, because it syncs up with that final exchange between Loomis/Laurie quite nicely. I feel like it pinpoints the movie’s biggest idea about the New America of the post-‘60s, that our collision with darkness is inevitable, and that it will come from WITHIN our communities, not from without. That’s the horror, that it is internal and not external.
Kristine: Sorry to bring this up since you are BORED by it, but this goes back to the BIG QUESTION. Is life predetermined (NATURE) or do we have free will to shape our lives (NURTURE)? But I agree with your read as well…
Sean: I mean, so much of the discourse about American life, right up through the current moment, is about identifying boogeymen that come from outside the culture. Communists, terrorists, the Yellow Peril of the 1890s, American Indians of course, the Irish, freed slaves, illegal immigrants, Bolsheviks, the Irish, etc., etc. I mean, the hysteria about communism in the 1950s is directly responsible for the huge popularity of alien invasion movies. But where a movie like Invasion of the Body Snatchers in 1956 depicts this ‘soft invasion’ where our citizens are replaced with evil twins, the threat still came from outside. Americans had to be covertly murdered and replaced for the threat to manifest. In 1968 Night of the Living Dead takes it one step further – the threat has moved inward a bit to the dead bodies of our own citizens, but the “essence” of our Americans has been removed from the zombies. Like Invasion of the Body Snatchers, the enemy LOOKS like us, but is NOT us, not really. But Halloween directly names our own sons as the enemy, the one’s attacking our way of life at the fundamental level: the small town communities that comprise the “heart” of America. While Invasion of the Body Snatchers and Night of the Living Dead displace the source of the evil (to alien invaders and a bizarre supernatural event), Halloween integrates the evil completely into our own world. As the movie’s cold open indicates, Michael Myers is an American son, one of our own, who has inexplicably turned out… wrong.
Kristine: This goes back to the artist, James Ensor, who depicts ALL OF US as wearing the scary boogeyman mask. Ensor’s work implicates everybody in the crowd (and audience). As INXS says, “Devil inside, devil inside, every single one of us, the devil inside.” Dun Dun Dun nun nun nun nun!
Sean: Ok, you. Did you notice that Lindsey is watching the original 1950s version of The Thing on tv?
Kristine: Yep! I noticed that. Are you proud of me?
Sean: Yes! And also a bit later Forbidden Planet is on. So Carpenter IS purposefully juxtaposing this new 1970s horror with the 1950s horror movies he grew up with. And those movies look so quaint and cheesy in the context of Halloween, right?
Kristine: Yes. Carpenter is all about references on top of references.
Sean: Let’s talk about Laurie Strode in her white tights. Are white tights as sick as wet hair? Maybe. Someone in white tights WITH wet hair might be the grossest animal imaginable. I actually think Laurie’s white tights are meant to connect back to Annie’s comment about her that she’d “make a great Girl Scout.” They’re meant to be infantilizing and de-sexualizing, right?
Kristine: Yes, but I think Laurie is more complex than that. I know it’s an easy read to say that Michael Myers picked his victims based on their sexy teenage behavior, but I think that’s a reductive and simplistic way to look at it. I don’t think this movie is a condemnation of sex and drugs, in other words.
Sean: Why not?
Kristine: Just because! Remember that Laurie, our supposed “final girl” and Great American Virgin, smoked weed and was interested in screwing as much as Annie and Linda. I’m a little tired of the Carol Clover-esque status quo about what slasher films “mean” and that they’re all about punishing the counterculture, etc. I mean, maybe that’s true for some or maybe even most slasher films. I haven’t seen enough to really know. But I think that if this movie is “about” America, than it makes perfect sense for the victims of the killer to be teenagers. First of all, I think it is commentary on the absence of adults in the suburbs. The adults are always elsewhere in this movie (and most other slashers we’ve watched). If these movies are about an “American nightmare” than what better way to articulate that than to have the evil strike out at teenagers because they’re the “next generation” that’s just on the cusp of true adulthood. If Michael Myers and his ilk eradicate that group of people, it leaves this big hole in the cultural/social fabric. That is scary to think about. So all this hooplala about how the kids in these movies are always fucking and getting high… I mean, that’s what teenagers do! And they were doing it in 1955 and in 1945 and in 1935. If you’re going to target the teenagers and bring a killer into their milieu, then of course it’s going to be one of slightly-out-of-control sexuality and drug use. And to get even more practical about it, the victims being teenagers makes sense because (a) they are hot and it is more fun to see hotties on screen and (b) they are the target audience for this movie, and everyone wants to see themselves on screen.
Sean: Well, one thing that struck me about Halloween this time around was how Laurie’s dad was the head of the town realty firm (Strode Realty) and Annie’s dad is the police chief. They are total daughters of the leaders of community, daughters of the patriarchy. So even though I think it’s true that the target audience for this movie is teenagers, I think one of the reasons it was such a huge success and all kind of other audiences saw it is that the nightmare of having your daughters stalked and butchered by a madman is one that parents can relate to.
Kristine: True. And their dads are totally ineffectual! So the parts of our society that are supposed to be protecting our youth and ushering them into adulthood (the fathers, the law enforcement, the captains of industry) are totally impotent and powerless in the face of someone like Michael Myers.
Sean: Yes! That’s part of the “horror” – the older generation can’t protect the younger one. Remember in Friday the 13th when Annie arrives in town and is scoffing at the ghost stories being told by the older generation? It’s like, in that movie, the older people sense the danger and try to warn the kids. But in this movie, no one even thinks anything bad will happen. NO ONE is prepared for Michael (except crazy Dr. Loomis of course).
Kristine: But Laurie DOES protect her youthful wards, remember?
Sean: Can I just say that I think Michael’s pursuit of Laurie is kind of the weakest part of the movie? She is so…. weepy and clumsy. All stumbling and falling through the world, with tears in her eyes.
Kristine: And she locks herself in the closet? I would never! Dumb! Also, she kept throwing away weapons after not-killing Michael. I would NEVER let go of that knife! I would carry it with me for the rest of my days!
Sean: Laurie just all limp-wristedly goes “Meh!” with a knitting needle. I mean, she really is kind of useless and has to be saved by Loomis. It’s blind luck that she survives, more than her own ingenuity (unlike, say, Ginny from Friday the 13th Part 2).
Kristine: Okay, I thought of another thing I don’t like. Michael Myers being supernatural at the end?????? Gross.
Sean: Well, I think the movie is ambiguous ENOUGH about that… But yes, I don’t like that so much either. Though he is supposed to be ‘the boogeyman’ right?
Kristine: Weren’t there like a million sequels?
Sean: Oh Kristine they’re… a situation. He is an unkillable revenant in the sequels who gets shot, stabbed, set on fire, exploded and keeps coming.
Kristine: But if we are to believe that the boogeyman is among us, and every town has one… then that omits the need for one omnipresent, supernatural boogeyman. We don’t NEED Michael to survive because, according to the gravedigger’s soliloquy, there is a Michael Myers in every community!
Sean: Right. Paradox!
Kristine: I think it’s scarier to believe that you CAN kill Michael Myers… but that there will always be another person like him right around the corner. The next town over! So, I thought it was fascinating that Carpenter’s partner-in-crime for this movie was a woman, Debra Hill.
Sean: Debra Hill was married to Carpenter, right?
Kristine: I thought she was his girlfriend.
Sean: Oh whatever. They were straight people together.
Kristine: The heteros care about these distinctions!
Sean: Ha! But they remained creative collaborators even after their romantic relationship ended, which is cool.
Kristine: I love couples that collaborate. According to my research, she was a big deal in terms of being a female producer, and a strong advocate for ladies in film.
Kristine: I guess I find her so interesting because she really got her start with Halloween, which is part of a genre so often derided as being anti-lady.
Sean: Remember how significant it seemed that DePalma cast Tippi Hedren’s daughter in Body Double? Do you think Hill and Carpenter were doing the same thing with Jamie Lee Curtis here, who is Janet Leigh’s daughter?
Kristine: I do think that, yes! So you think JLC is a disappointing Final Girl? I thought you loved her!
Sean: I think Laurie is a dud but I love Jamie Lee.
Kristine: Huh, interesting!!!!
Sean: She starred in a bunch more slashers and horror shows.
Kristine: Such as?
Sean: Prom Night. Terror Train. Roadgames. Halloween II. She’s still a dud in Halloween II though. In Prom Night she does a DISCO DANCE SOLO and it lasts like 5 minutes.
Kristine: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Amazing!
Kristine: If you saw Michael Myers standing outside your window staring at you, what would you do?
Sean: I would die. Michael Myers is scary and horrible.
Kristine: He is SO horrible and scary. I think I would die, too.
Sean: See, I actually liked that Laurie rips the mask off his face at the end because it happens so quickly, you don’t even really register what his features are. You just see… a face. It works to keep him this unknowable presence, I think.
Kristine: If so, why does Michael wear the mask at all?
Sean: Ask James Ensor!
Kristine: HA! Okay, another scary ass scene – the asylum inmates milling around the field at the beginning when Michael escapes from the mental hospital. Dude, that is scary!
Sean: I felt like that was a bit of a shout-out to Night of the Living Dead. They looked like zombies all in their mortuary gowns.
Kristine: Ah, yes…
Sean: Loomis was an over-the-top diva, all Shakespearian-ly quoth-ing and prithee-ing. Do you think this movie qualifies as American Gothic?
Kristine: Loomis was definitely in a gothic movie, but I don’t think anyone else was.
Sean: I thought the image of Michael carrying Annie’s corpse into the house was a big Gothic moment. That is a classic Gothic image: the prone woman in the arms of the lumbering monster. I also thought it was a clever parallel to have Bob carry Linda into the house later in the same manner.
Kristine: I didn’t notice that at the time, to be honest with you. You know what I thought was well done?When Annie got trapped in the laundry room window. That scene might seem like a throwaway scene or just a chance to see her ass in panties, but I actually think it did a great job at ratcheting up the tension by showing how vulnerable she was.
Sean: Were you sad when she died?
Kristine: I liked her, but honestly I didn’t feel any emotion about any of the deaths.
Sean: As a kid, she was my favorite and every time I’d watch it I’d sort of hope that this time she’d get away and not get killed.
Kristine: I didn’t feel anything. Am I… a psychopath?
Sean: It’s possible.
Kristine: Exactly. You better watch yourself.
The Girl’s Rating: Masterpiece!
The Freak’s Rating: Masterpiece!